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>> he will take that opportunity to focus on the audience in front of him. >> i remember what it was like to be 27 and 28. this is a big deal. >> we will talk about the speaker. >> 150 bills sitting over there and the president stands in the way. >> we will have a divided country the rest of our lives. get used to it. we have a compromise. >> what is his message? i will ask about that tonight. fresh bounce on the they are to young invincibles. chris matthews for a town hall at american university. part of the college tour. the exclusive interview at 7:00 p.m. eastern. that interview is coming a day after the president held a youth summit at the white house urging
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young people to get in on the affordable care act. help spread the word and don't listen to the nasty ads. >> believe it or not there were organizations out there to convince young people not to get insurance. think about that. that's a really bizarre way to spend your money. remind your friends and peers. they are not going to pay for your illness. >> seriously it is a bizarre way to spend your money. in case you need a reminder, uncle sam is back. >> we are tired of footing the bill for washington's failures. sorry, politician. our health care is not a game. >> like i said, bizarre. those ads are part of the noise that is seeking to drown out the good news about the affordable care act. kentucky expanded medicaid led
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to more than 65,000 enrollment so far. in a visit to capitol hill, the governor said nationwide in his state demands will outdo the opposition. >> people are hungry for it and confused about it as people have been confused about it because of the avalanche of misinformation that has been put out there by the critics of the act. just like in kentucky where folks elsewhere get the information, they like what they find and they will sign up in droves. >> people signing up for health insurance in droves. the horror. don't worry. john boehner is ready to save us all. >> our focus has to be on protecting the american people from obama care. we have passed bill after bill trying to protect the american people from this disaster. so protecting the american
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people from obama care has been another priority. >> got that? he is protecting us. excellent. our panel is also the opinion writer. also a msnbc contributor. i didn't get to name your fabulous newspaper. we are looking forward to chris matthews interview and sitting down with the president and american university in front of a very deliberate audience which is young people. this is where the battle is being joined. the president is trying to convince younger americans that it's for you and republicans making what argument to young people some. >> the argument they are making with the creepy uncle sam showed they still do it. it's by the obama administration to make you get something you don't need and you probably don't want. it's a crazy thing. the president is going after young people in particular. one because you need them in the
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pool. you need the premiums and helping people in the pools to help pay for all the older people who are much more expensive. this doesn't work if everyone is not in the pool. especially if young people aren't. >> that's the argument. they want the law to mail and they would start bankrupting insurance companies because they break the model. >> the insurance companies may be bankrupt even further. this is deeply cynical. the website works and let's go back to the argument. we are making in the first place. guess what happened if you don't get the young people. not like the exchanges go away. they become a lot more expensive. they won't wind up killing them, they will wound them and guess who will be stuck with the tab. the taxpayer. with the republicans and conservatives are doing is expanding the government. this is big government conservatism. >> it's ironic because the first
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part is they don't need and don't want, but the argument is that you don't need health insurance seems to be the weakest part of the argument. maybe somebody who is 18 doesn't think they need it, but somebody who is 26 or 25 or getting to the end of that state on your parent, they are starting to get to the age where they think i do need this. >> yes. starting to mature. starting to realize that maybe this invincible thing is what it's cracked up to be. i am going to need insurance. let's think about the young people who have gotten into accidents and have gotten hurt and sick and they know what it means to their own pocket book if they are not living at home. if they are living at home, families teetering on the edge and most people are living from paycheck to paycheck. you are a 22-year-old person living at home and parents are taking care of you, that's devastating. >> i'm wondering at the same
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time if there is not something for the evil genius. it's about generational theft that resonates with some young people and the idea that they are getting you to buy something, but you are paying for another generation for a graft. is there something to that strategy with younger people? >> the same arguments with social security and medicare all along. there is vulnerability and a lot of them have catastrophic plan coverage because they don't get sick very often. it's a hard sell for that reason and it requires a change in the whole mind set. that's why you have all of this and you try to throw the static out there and scare people away. it's going to take a long time to create the change in the mind set. this is not the crisis the way the westside was. it was to be expected. >> republicans are not prote protecting us from health care, but resisting unemployment. that's another fight we have in washington. they are going to center on
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this. let's look at what they had to say about that today. >> through the government shut down, the economy lot of $24 billion. unnecessary, shameful action. the cost of providing unemployment compensation over the next year, $24 billion. >> i wonder if on the unemployment insurance, you are trying to convince somebody to purchase they may not need or want. when it comes to unemployment insurance, everyone knows you can be unemployed. what is the tactical reason that can be derived to say we will save this tiny amount of money. >> i don't know what the advantage is here. people again, folks living paycheck to paycheck and unemployment benefits is direct money into the hands of people who need it and into the communities.
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they have money for food and shelter and clothing. whatever it is they need. republicans who always express all this care and concern about the american worker and they are speaking for the american people, they go mute when it comes time to help them. >> i wonder if the president's best ally, the wingman if it were will be the hope. the president is sort of making that shared community argument on everything from raising minimum wage to unemployment to health care. >> the next is for conservatives to turn against the pope. the president is in good company. you have bill o'reilly talking about the war on christmas. two days after, all these people will lose. talk about a war on christmas. thank you for joining us. we will be back. thank you both.
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coming up, any predictions for how the affordable care act might influence the mid-term? we will ask the governor of kentucky. >> i predict it will be an issue where people start looking at the critics and say what was all that yelling and screaming about? you must have misinformed us about the affordable care act. [ male announcer ] if you can clear a crowd but not your nasal congestion, you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec-d®. powerful relief of nasal congestion and other allergy symptoms -- all in one pill. zyrtec-d®. at the pharmacy counter. losing thrusters. i need more power. give me more power! [ mainframe ] located. ge deep-sea fuel technology. a 50,000-pound, ingeniously wired machine that optimizes raw data to help safely discover
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>> per kentucky is known for basketball, blue grass and bourbon. we can add a fourth b to the list. the governor, steve bashir who
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is betting bigot president's health care law. his state is not just the only state with the health care exchange. the governor whose star is rising fast has a message for every politician who wonders how health care affects 2014 and beyond. >> it's going to be a plus and if i were running for anything, i would be running on it. >> joining us now is democratic congresswoman and one of the leaders who attended governor bashir's event today. good day to you. >> they finally started to pick up. the latest numbers find more people on sunday and monday than in the month of october. what do you tell democrats who are skiddish and ask should i run on health care in 2014?
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>> by 2014 the governor told us don't run away from this because by november of next year, you are going to be running for with obama care and people will have discovered. he cautioned patience. he said everybody needs to take a deep breath and everybody needs to go to the website and explore their options and then sign up. they have not had a problem getting people to sign up. the polling said that young people don't have health care for the same reason that everyone doesn't. too much money. yet if they go to the website, they are likely to find a plan to afford health care because they get a subsidy.
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>> that is a fascinating statistic. 40% of those signing up being under age 35. >> i am not sure they have done special outreach. the fact is when it's available and easily accessible from your home and on your computer, the people in general do understand that a bicycle accident, playing touch football, you can get a broken ankle and end up going to the emergency room and suddenly you are thousands of dollars in debt. if you can go to the website and sign up for a plan that is between 50 and $100 a month, it would be very, very well worth it. i think young people are smart that way.
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are it doesn't seem to have much traction. is there a chance that there is a boost that can pass through the house? >> it will get momentum if it passes through the senate and i fully believe that it will and it should. in washington, d.c., the minimum wage is 8.25, but the federal wage is $7.25. you are making about $11,000 a year full time. you can't raise a family. no wonder that more than one out of seven americans is living in poverty today. the president is talking about income inequality. 1 one way to address it is to raise the minimum wage right now. a living wage would be better to a good start. >> i do want to ask you quickly, a couple of them have raised the idea of president obama taking executive action to raise the minimum raise for federal
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workers. do you support that idea? >> we were standing in front of the air and space museum today because the workers at mcdonald's who are federal contractors at the mcdonald's in that federal building, they are only making $8.25 an hour. the president has the contract workers. that is a way to kick it off to say we will make sure as an administration and federal government. we are not going to be paying poverty wages. we will race it at least $10 an hour. the gop is holding seminars on how to talk to women for their male candidates.
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they might talk about rape or abortion. what do you think of needing to take courses in speaking to women? >> i think woo we are told that they should not use the word rape in a sentence. it might be dangerous for them to do, but it's far more than vocabulary. it took us a long time, but we did get the violence against women act passed and time after time on issues like women's health care. the pocket book issues, making sure that women get paid and equal pay for equal work. it will be delivering legislation and health care in
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their pocket book. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> a familiar face as the top cop. here's nancy pelosi with the question about speaker boehner's sensitivity training. >> they acknowledge that republicans have to be more sensitive to women. what do you make of that?
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it could be the most defining appointment for bill
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deblazio. he chose bill brat on to be his top cop and once again lead the nation's largest police force. there is no stranger to new york or the job. he ran the nypd under rudy giuliani between 1994 and 1996. he is credited for crime-fighting technique to curb the city's crime rate. some are questioning if brat on is the right man for the job and whether he would rely on controversial tactics like stop and frisk which was a lightning rod in the mayoral race. bill brat on knows it has to be used with respect and properly. real reform to move to respond to the deep concerns of communities all over the city. >> back with me on set, joining us from los angeles is
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dr. phillip that bill brat on would be part of the police department. given the way that bill deblazio ran and won. >> it's jarring the way he ran and won the mayoral race for the stop and frisk. it's the commercial for him that took him from the back of the pack. what makes this not surprising is we have seen his name pop up since bill deblazio became mayor-elect. time and time again, there has been no aggressive push back on naming the suggestion of bill brat on. >> he didn't exactly have a smooth relationship. for african-americans who live
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in new york, there is the story of the rejection. is it because they are not seated on the same page? >> that's largely because bill brat on was fired by then mayor rudy giuliani and on the cover of "time" magazine in may of 1996. rudy giuliani figures all in that story. they didn't like that. >> don't get between rudy and a headline. both in los angeles and new york, what kind of a police chief he will be. will he rely on stop and frisk or walk them back. >> if someone is wearing a ski
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market and checking every door, i want that person stopped. if you don't want a racist or unjust loser stop and frisked. i think people are concerned considering he expanded the use of stop and frisk in l.a. and he was champion of it in new york. he is going to rely on that. the key thing in terms of his legacy, he has been a numbered guy. he used numbers to drive down crime. what i will be watching for and a lot of people will want to watch for, whether or not he will use those same evidence-based approaches to drive down inequality and disparities. they are doing that all over the country. that has to be the way to go. >> this idea of using numbers and data in terms of driving down crime, why crime is down. you know that crime is down and it was down in the stop and frisk era and the policing era. the dispute as to what it is driving crime down. how will that help brat on to be a better chief? >> remember when bill brat on
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became commissioner, the underlying theory was broken windows. it wasn't just arrest people, but take care of those problems before they become bigger problems. if someone is jumping a subway turnstile, grab that person and run all sorts of background checks and you end up finding out that the person who is jumping the turnstile and these folks as they saw in the 90s, people who have committed other more proper attic crimes and that's what bill brat on looks at with numbers and policing. >> does this indicate to you that they are progressive and the mayor will change the tone. a kinder, gentler new york. if he turns, that would be politically risky.
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that will keep crime numbers down. >> the calculation of what happens god forbid crime goes up has to be part of this decision. he came up in the same way as brat on did. it's not part of his legacy, but brat on came up in the policing. i want to go back to one of jonathan's points with the use of numbers to pull people away involved in the turnstiles. that is to use to drive down crime to look at disparities. there is a brand-new movement and the majority of major cities to put together the 50 ever racial profiling and database. that is driven by police chiefs. i think that's the kind of thing if he brings that to new york,
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that may in fact get it is fears about the taint of giuliani. >> he should be a hash tag. your prominent pronouncement is correct. thank you both. >> thank you. >> stay with us. conservatives have an authority complex in today's top. bl turn to roc® retinol correxion®. one week, fine lines appear to fade. one month, deep wrinkles look smoother. after one year, skin looks ageless. high performance skincare™ only from roc®. take skincare to the next level with new roc® multi correxion® 5 in 1, proven to hydrate dryness, illuminate dullness, lift sagging, diminish the look of dark spots, and smooth the appearance of wrinkles. high performance skincare™ only from roc®.
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>>. >> here are today's top lines. when are people going to learn? >> i got the christmas eve excitement brewing here at "hardball." >> you watch 60 minutes this weekend? >> oh, my god. >> these are oxy copters.
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>> don't you love that drone that drops the package? >> that was awesome. >> the american people are very afraid. >> certainly it will happen in a panic. >> moms and dads are worried. worried about the future and america. >> this is a serious and a sad story. >> people are afraid. we need to. it's in the new this is morning. >> there was one thing that many of these accounts that were hacked had in common. >> easy password. one, two, three, four, five, six. >> 15,000 people that were hacked. >> obama care's critics have. >> he is a rigid idea log. >> this issue. >> caller: s for real
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leadership. >> it's against democracy and freedom. >> when are people going to learn. democracy doesn't work. >> let's get to our panel. joining us now, the latino and democratic strategist. part of the president's problem is he's not fighting so much the republican party as he is fighting almost the republican media establishment. almost a tv version of a political party. >> first of all, i have to give kudos. one of the favorite movies. i like the way you get them into the dialogue. we often forget that the tea party was a movement that was elevated by blen beck. this was not a surprise at all. one of the reason that is the establishment is having such a hard time harnessing is there is no leadership. the one perpetuating what this is about is the right wing
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media. when you look at mitch mcconnell and the republican leadership, how do we bring people back? it's not good for their brand or reelection in 2014. >> the republican political establishment is following the lead of the media establishment and they are taking the media people. for the last month or so, that worked for them. they had the website and that has been it. absent that, what is it that drives the republican base? >> even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion. even the extremist element and the republican party and they are clearly represented in the right wing media, they keep going down the rabbit holes. they went nowhere. it burned out quickly. look at for example the scandal. it went nowhere. look at irs. it went nowhere. even on health care if you look at the numbers, you want to take a look at where we are in terms
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of opinion. you look at kaiser which was the standard. and it shows the team that like obama care and we are at about 47 or 48% of the public that like that. they compare that to go back to the status quo and 37%. the numbers are not too bad. you look at the generics and on the congressional election. democrats have been up in every week except for two weeks and march. they keep going down the rabbit holes and it's taking them nowhere. >> it's more of a media messaging party and the person who really does crystallize that is ted cruz. he's almost like a talk radio host and has the same about rush limbaugh. defending remarks about president obama. get your reaction.
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>> his promise if you like your plan you can keep it was demonstrated to be false. he told insurance companies we will ignore that part of the law for one year. a president under a constitutional system doesn't have the ability to pick and choose which to follow and that's the same pattern you see in society. >> because the president misspoke on two million people who have private place insurance. fidel castro. >> let's look at the messenger. ted cruz said he was not against the government shut down when he was. the more he had the fancy sound bytes, when it am cans to the electoral campaign, he will get crushed. he had so much material out there, he cannot solidify who he is. the other thing when you talk about the aca and the republican party being against it, you look at the damage they are doing for
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california. it is succeeding. this created a fake website where he did you bunked the opportunity for californians. that's unconscionable. >> if barack obama is fidel castro, george bush mufb comb e combin combined. george bush's attorney general was ready to resign because he ordered all of the nsa surveillance done without a court order. that's a president acting in a unilateral way. when mccain passed in 2005 the anti-torture act, president bush signed a statement saying this. i don't have to comply with the law. president bush fired nine u.s. attorneys, some of which, one of which was not prosecuting a bogus voting fraud case. if you look at the complaints against obama and the delay with the immigration case and the
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delay in the mandate and the libya case which the republicans lot of and the carbon emissions case that went up to the circuit court, they lot of every single case in any court of law they tried using and lot of everything in a court of public opinion. >> for him to say he is going against it is settled by the stream court. you are going after conservative supreme court with the law of the land. >> it's the point that you get down to with republican opposition with the president. it's not the specifics, but the fact that he is attempting to use any powers of the president and isn't that what gets down to the feeling that a lot of minorities have about the basic disrespect for his ability to be president. >> absolutely. if you look at president bush, he won with 51% of the vote. he had swagger and said this is what i'm going to do and every member of congress was behind it. the president won almost a
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landslide election and the majority voted him in and every time he tries to negotiate anything, he is being in competition. there is a code word and a whichb. >> 10 to 15% of the public believes he is not a legitimate president. there was a big part of the base that republicans have to find ways of giving catnip to the base. to come full circle as how they follow the pied piper, look what happened yesterday when congressman steven king started talking about impeachment. now there is a kifl war going on because the leadership doesn't want them to go that far. what happens then? the same happens in 1998. it turns out. >> it turns away voters. >> it turns up the voters. >> there you go. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> coming up, a republican governor said what about climate
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to help you realize a better tomorrow. from the families of aig, happy holidays. many republicans love to deny the existence of climate change. they do so at their own peril. they see a political opportunity. we are going to go to paul le page. he said the president doesn't like white people. among several and colorful comments. he had signs on the topic. everybody looking at the negative effects of global warming as he said on transportation. with the ice melting, the northern passages opened up. maybe instead of being at the end of a pipeline, i'm going to stop talking about paul le page because we have breaking news
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and we will join a special report. >> fellow republicans, nelson mande mandela, the founding president of a democratic nation has departed. he passed on peacefully around 20:50 on the 5th of december. 2013. he is now resting. he is now at peace.
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our nation has lot of his greatest son. our people have lot of a father. although we knew that this day would come, nothing can diminish our sense of a profound and enduring loss. his struggle for freedom and give him the respect of the world. his humility, his compassion, and his humanity and him they laugh. our thoughts and prayers are with the mandela family.
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to them we owe a debt of gratitude. they endured much so that our people could be free. our thoughts are with his wife. for mandela, with his children, his grandchildren, his great grandchildren and their entire family. our thoughts are with his friends, comrades, and colleagues.
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it's over the cause over the last time. our thoughts are with the south african people for today, mourning the loss of the one person who more than any other came to embody their sense of a common nation. our thoughts are with them as their own. and who saw the cause, this is
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the moment of deep sorrow. our nation has lot of its greatest son. what made nelson mandela great was precisely what made him human. we saw in him what we think in ourselves. in him we saw so much. fellow south africans, nelson mandela brought us together and it issing it issing to that we will bid him farewell.
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i ordered that all flags of the republic of south africa be lowered and flown tomorrow. 6th december and to remain at half mass until after the funeral. to pay our last respects, let us conduct ourselves with dignity and respect that he personified. let us be mindful of his wishes and the wishes of his family.
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wherever we are in the country and wherever we are in the world. let us recall the values for which he went forth. his vision of a society in which non-is exploited, oppress said or being possessed by another. we will strive neither strength or colleagues. nonracial and non-sexist
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democratic and prosperous south africa. let us express each in our own way the deep gratitude we feel for a life spent in service of the people of this country. and in the cause of humanity. the moment of our deepest sorrow. yet it might also be the moment of our greatest determination. a determination to live and to strive as he strived and to not
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rest until we have realized his wishes of a truly united south africa. a peaceful and prosperous africa. we will always love this. may their souls rest in peace. got bless africa. i thank you. >> and joining us now is reverend al sharpton, you heard the president of south africa confirming the news that nelson mandell ark the first black period of south africa has died. reverent al, are you there? are. >> yes, i am. >> reverend al, this is a day that people felt was coming for
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sometime, nelson mandela having been ill. give us your first shot at the history here. >> even though we have been watching for over a year the battle back and forward of nelson mandela and whether or not he was going to survive or not, it still comes as a great loss. here's a man who not only was the first black period of south africa, he ned the democratic liberation struggle of south africa. many of us here in the civil rights movement this this country were involved in anti-apartheid movement and were involved in the free mandela movement. went to jail saying that south africa should be demock raitized. mandela should be free. they led those rallies and marches. i remember in 1994, i was part
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of the election that went over with other civil rights activists and we would actually be observers when the first election happened in south africa that election day and see an elected nelson mandela president. just being around him when he first came to this country and how he was before being president. any time you were around him, you had a sense you were in the presence of greatness. in the sense of searching around anybody else. nelson mandela had a gravity yet humility that was unmatched. the world has lot of someone who has literally changed world history. this is not just the first president or a first black president. this is one who led the evolution and revolution of a nation and became the first president and became a universal
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symbol of tolerance, of hope, perseverance and of victory. he didn't do it with violence. he merginged from advocating violence to not doing it. he did it victoriously and did it with triumph. i think the world lot of one of history's greatest citizens, not just one of our great political leaders. >> you talk about the parallels with the american civil rights movement. it's the same year that dr. martin luther king was accepting the nobel peace price, going into prison and fight are for the majority and having the basic right to go freely in their own country. it really is if you talk about the way that nelson mandela after 27 years in prison just the fact that his grace to his former opponents and he shared a nobel peace prize was able to bring that country together.
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how do you suppose he was able to find that grace towards people who treated him and his people so brutally. >> it's remarkable because he began while he was still in jabl. >> they were prisoners and isolated. it was also very risky for him to deal with a lot of that. for him to be big enough for those who have robbed him of the freedom of his dignity and the ability to even touch his wife's hands for many years while visiting him in jail. to go home any prisoner would be allowed to not only forgive him and negotiate with them and advocate peaceful reconciliation. it was remarkable. i remember i was in a small circl
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circle. we asked how did you have the strength to do this? you must put your goal that you breathe behind your feelings and beyond what is immediately convenient to you. people say that, but he literally did it and had a nation do it. he had no remorse and no bitterness and calling for reconciliation it was truly one of the remarkable moments in world history. >> great inspiration. moment upon which everyone left all-around the world, this was one of the greatest individuals i think we have ever seen really. >> no question about it. that we have ever seen. we will try to categorize or compartmentalize this man. >> absolutely. i know he was a great inspiration to everyone and the way he conducted it and the parallels in the struggle for
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africans and african-americans. he resonated with people who cared about freedom and equal rights. >> it resonated with americans of all colors because they cared about it and because he became the president personified it. the election of them, we watched it here. you had a sense you were not only watching history, but walked the walk and eternalized the greatness of the struggle for human beings to be free and do it in a way that they did not become like those who they were fighting. the real message with mandela was not only that he was able to break the bounds and to break the shackles of bigotry, bias and hate, but he did it without internalizing the very things he was fighting. that's a very difficult thing to do. >> indeed. thank you so much for being
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here. al sharpton. you have been watching breaking news on the death of former south african president nelson mandela at the age of 95. our coverage continues with the ed show. >> good evening, americans and welcome to the ed show tonight. we start with tragic breaking news. former south african president nelson mandela died at the age of 95. mandela, a remarkable life dedicated his to fighting for civil rights in south africa. mandela lived long enough to see a multiracial democratic south africa. he called it the rainbow nation. the grief over his death crossed racial lines ha he devoted his to erasing. a young man at the age of 25, he


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